tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post107778062468513237..comments2023-11-04T00:52:56.076-07:00Comments on east side bride: This Is Not Vintage Wedding Photographyesbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00215882729011442570noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-34719709324331742842013-06-19T19:58:12.674-07:002013-06-19T19:58:12.674-07:00is this really the appropriate place for calling o...is this really the appropriate place for calling out someones lack of "creativity" ? If they don't like your work, it doesn't really matter how authentic you may think it is, nor does it matter what it is called. This just seems like some middle school b.s. banter of " i liked that band before you, therefore i am cooler than you." great! wonderful! makes me not want to read this blog anymore. how fucking pretentious. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-58663442465854056772013-05-03T12:11:39.101-07:002013-05-03T12:11:39.101-07:00love this. so so so much. you nailed it, so glad t...love this. so so so much. you nailed it, so glad to see you share our thoughts. <br /><br />Some day weddings will be cleansed of the big "V", but until then i will be bringing my "V-Douche" to every wedding for a proper cleaning. <br /><br />no more burlap please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-10639285311390180482012-06-10T04:51:27.013-07:002012-06-10T04:51:27.013-07:00Vintage refers to the status as well as the age of...Vintage refers to the status as well as the age of a piece. A wine is only vintage if it was from a particularly good crop, then reserved for some years...or a car that was particularly fanastic in it's day and therefore preserved by enthusiasts.<br /><br />If you don't know who (or what company/brand) made your 'vintage' items, chances are they are just old items.<br /><br />My dislike for the v-word is entirely this. your wedding dress may be old,but unless you know it's origin, it may well be old and cheap (surely nobody wants something that is not only old, but cheap to boot??)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-30285773877780220552012-02-08T11:57:29.700-08:002012-02-08T11:57:29.700-08:00YES YES YES! Every once in while I cruise through...YES YES YES! Every once in while I cruise through posts on Wedding Gawker and always feel so sad to see the same buzz words used over and over again: vintage, rustic, DIY, mason jars, raffia, bunting..... On their own, there is nothing wrong with including these elements into your special day, but why not just call a spade a spade and refer to your wedding as what it is - completely cookie-cutter, but no doubt satisfying and special nonetheless.Kalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01094387753924505038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-88187509571284848682012-02-08T10:36:36.200-08:002012-02-08T10:36:36.200-08:00Good research Anon! You dug deep, I'm glad you...Good research Anon! You dug deep, I'm glad you have that kind of time. Now that you mention it, I did do a lot when I was 14. Like just off the top of my head- I dropped some acid, my house was shot up by South African guerrillas, I moved to another country on my own, walked on fire, meditated barefoot on a block of ice & listened to Jane's Addiction... But I certainly did not do Everything. And don't stress, none of that makes you a lame-o... I can provide you with a list of some other things I did or some photography from back then if you need evidence in your extensive research thesis?- Just let me know. Can't wait to read it! xnoa (featherlove)http://www.featherlove.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-3056573654379228112012-02-07T21:42:46.164-08:002012-02-07T21:42:46.164-08:00One last GEM from the Noa archives:
"...i sh...One last GEM from the Noa archives:<br /><br />"...i shot that session as more of a nude/vintage/art/shoot...i have been shooting nudes since I was like 14. before people started calling them "boudoir".<br /><br />--Noa, in the comments section on ESB's "boudoir shoot" post<br /><br />Sound familiar?? Apparently Noa did EVERYTHING at 14, WAY before all the rest of us lame-o's!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-60702236261513500702012-02-06T12:32:48.929-08:002012-02-06T12:32:48.929-08:00nonoesbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00215882729011442570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-85071423852887812372012-02-04T22:24:31.500-08:002012-02-04T22:24:31.500-08:00Great. Now that we have that sorted out, can we mo...Great. Now that we have that sorted out, can we move onto how un-rad it is to call everything rad?KHhttp://twitter.com/KMRHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-46221533039351127922012-02-04T12:23:38.774-08:002012-02-04T12:23:38.774-08:00well put Amanda! these are great points, thank you...well put Amanda! these are great points, thank you. And I agree, for SEO purposes of COURSE we should use words that people search for, I use vintage a ton on the back end. I was talking more about describing our work as creatives/artists (aka "vendors"- ugh I hate that word too ;), and that we could start to use other words that might catch as well, just like the V word did. but yes. You make a really good point! Thank you... oh and I love Ruffled blog too, but you already knew that since i'm constantly submitting my work to you :) xnoa (featherlove)http://www.featherlove.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-9934626180989228302012-02-03T16:38:14.869-08:002012-02-03T16:38:14.869-08:00Thank you Noa for this post! We've seen the wo...Thank you Noa for this post! We've seen the word vintage everywhere in the wedding world...but is it just being overused or is it a new concept of its own behind an existing word? <br /><br />We actually used to be Vintage Glam Weddings. We changed the name Ruffled years ago because we saw where that word, in the wedding world, was headed. Ruffled grew into a blog that now goes way beyond vintage-inspired ideas, but we've always tried to keep the word vintage in our tagline because from the get-go we shared ideas from all eras (plus a little SEO doesn't hurt anybody), hence the broad term. The v-word in itself is a trend, and yes, it's everywhere. It's fun and exciting to use it for everything at the beginning, but then people move on to other words and expressions. I for one used it a lot for a while to describe nostalgic handmade weddings, but then we move on.<br /><br />The "vintage" trend, in the wedding world, didn't catch until 2009 and what we it come to call it vintage today in the wedding industry morphed into something else. It's the vintage as in nostalgic and handmade. Could this particular movement perhaps be happening at a time where the recession was at its worst? The vintage weddings we've come to know are consistently done on modest budgets and share a similar aesthetic. What the wedding industry calls vintage is not vintage as in 20 years or older. We all know that, but we do know what aesthetic someone is referring to.<br /><br />The same thing goes for photography. I agree 100% with Noa. There is no such thing as "vintage photography" , but we know what kind of photographic style people are referring to if they say vintage-style. Also "Vintage-inspired" photography, like weddings, is what people make of it. They may take bits of inspiration from photographers from different eras, but their work is unique to their creative talents. How they may describe their own work is subjective. Substitute the word "vintage" photography to "modern" photography. You may not feel as sensitive about a "modern" photographer because the word isn't used as much, but the description is just as subjective. Modern is just an example, but you can try using other words. <br /><br />Like Andria Dozier mentioned and is worth mentioning again is the SEO aspect of using a popular word. If you have a website, you will want to use keywords your potential clients are using on the web. I understand Noa's urge to call it something else, but if no one is searching for progressive wedding photography, then you may be alienating potential clients. I can call a wedding "neocraft" and not "vintage" like I have in the past, but if no one instantly understands what I am referring to, then all I'm really doing is alienating my audience. We can't change someone's own definitions, because it is already in people's minds though we can strategically phase out an overused word. <br /><br />Just tossing it out there... If a certain word is popular to the point we're seeing TV hosts use it when referring to that same concept of "nostalgic handmade", perhaps it's a broader topic on how we communicate. If people are using a word to define something other than its determined meaning, and if you still understand what is being communicated to you, then is it really misusing a word? When do words become words or when are slangs created off of an existing word? If it's millions of people using the same word to define the same thing, is it really just overusing it or is it it's own thing aside from its original meaning? <br /><br />Love Noa's work!Amandahttp://ruffledblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-54062098162539320872012-02-03T13:05:23.052-08:002012-02-03T13:05:23.052-08:00Everything becomes mainstream at some point... Isn...Everything becomes mainstream at some point... Isn´t it then just time for a change? <br />It´s like denying your own succes. You make something that is so cool that everybody else want´s to make it too. Isn´t it always like that?? We all wan´t to be like someone else, the cool, arty, gifted one?<br />If you really are a true artist (which I think you are) then be proud of what you do and don´t give a f... about what others say. Re invent your style if you feel that you are no longer "different" enough..Lone Jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219566077322077617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-63063355816838800842012-02-02T18:40:56.632-08:002012-02-02T18:40:56.632-08:00:) nicely put, Noa:) nicely put, NoaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16933907834165590632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-77698229243772336962012-02-02T13:35:57.210-08:002012-02-02T13:35:57.210-08:00Whoa, defensive much? "Having to re-quote so ...Whoa, defensive much? "Having to re-quote so many of my own words means that many people didn't actually read this post before commenting"...or they disagree with you, or take something different away from the piece than what you intended to convey. This happens all the time in writing, even for professional writers. It doesn't mean the readers are idiots, or didn't read it. That might be the case, but it also might be that you phrased something ambiguously, or they're responding to tone, etc., etc. You are trying to promote yourself and your work here, yes? Relax a little; saying that people must not understand/not have read it if they disagree with you isn't necessary.J.K.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-70677709008248074512012-02-02T08:05:56.375-08:002012-02-02T08:05:56.375-08:00@rob and all those on his boat- I wrote: "Vin...@rob and all those on his boat- I wrote: "Vintage used to be a word that signified imagination. It meant that interesting and artistic people could actually express their own taste, personality and ideas in their non-traditional & non-generic weddings." ie: used to be a word that signified imagination IN THIS INDUSTRY. Not a name I gave it, a name that was given to it. how do I know this? because I have been in this "alt" wedding industry since the beginning & watched it grow. Also "She calls herself a vintage photographer." -- actually I wrote this: "As one of the first photographers in the alternative wedding industry to be labeled a 'Vintage Photographer'," -- key word "labeled", meaning other people called me that (blogs etc), I didn't label myself vintage and I still don't, that's kind of what this post is about too. like in the part where I suggested that us creatives remove the V word from our bios since it's not necessary anymore. <br />and @anon 12:14 & @clickclickbangbang- "vintage means OLD SHIT", yea i know. in fact i wrote a whole article exactly about that. It's in the piece of writing right in between the title of this post, and the comments. (eg: "The way the word 'vintage' is used lacks accuracy most of the time"). <br />And yea so I was influenced by Man Ray when i was 14- who cares? And why is that a problem? Tons of photographers where influenced by other old dead photographers. <br />Again, this post was about the INACCURACY & OVER-USE of the V word- I never said we shouldn't EVER use it (I supplied a list of examples on how to use the word accurately and how not to), and I never said I didn't like "vintage-inspired" weddings or trends or mainstream etc, I said quite the opposite. I was trying to suggest ways for the industry to not get stuck in itself but to actually continue to grow creatively, which I also said was a good thing. Having to re-quote so many of my own words means that many people didn't actually read this post before commenting.noa (featherlove)http://www.featherlove.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-18312484515680507872012-02-02T07:50:01.646-08:002012-02-02T07:50:01.646-08:00Or maybe they're not hearing/reading right?Or maybe they're not hearing/reading right?Rachaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-29219960256756694122012-02-01T15:26:29.455-08:002012-02-01T15:26:29.455-08:00Totally agree. There are a lot of "photograph...Totally agree. There are a lot of "photography snobs" out there, no offense, but this article makes you sound like one of them. Your photography was inspired by someone at one point, so does that make it less relevant? Art is progressive and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is it not? I love your work, but I feel like this post was a tantrum over other photographers being inspired by you and you feeling threatened by that. I would take it as a compliment. If we get technical, you aren't technically vintage either because you are alive in this present time, making you contemporary with a "vintage" style. Same thing as what you are "standing" against in this post... Just sayin ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-11972353976458160972012-02-01T09:37:57.958-08:002012-02-01T09:37:57.958-08:00The 'I was here first' mentality is just a...The 'I was here first' mentality is just as tiresome as the use of the word vintage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-16220438820827534022012-02-01T05:28:47.546-08:002012-02-01T05:28:47.546-08:00I've ended up with a vintage inspired business...I've ended up with a vintage inspired business that was borne out of me taking the piss out of 'vintage inspired weddings'. I got so fed up of all the vintage stuff that was floating around when I was planning my wedding that I ended up arranging a photo shoot that was pretty much a send up of the usually faked style I saw couples employing (cupcakes, balloons, chalk boards etc). But because of the context in which I did it (for my Hen Party/Bachelorette party) I generated a lot of interest and I ended up creating a website off the back of it. <br />Now I battled with using the word 'vintage' because I agree nowadays it's pretty meaningless but when you're working in an area like mine where ideas are so entrenched and trying to get people to think about doing something different is a battle, you sometimes need to go with the easiest concept for people to understand. I think overtime I want to drop the vintage reference as it becomes increasingly uncomfortable for me to see it, but for the time being it's about trying to shape the market and this is quite frankly the easiest way to do it. (don't shoot me)Abbie Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573949432844375316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-77598268847681075202012-02-01T02:53:29.857-08:002012-02-01T02:53:29.857-08:00great article, well articulated from someone that ...great article, well articulated from someone that obviously know what they are talking about, very refreshing , I wish this view was as well known as this vague adjective that people use _"its vintage' - no its not !!; )andy greenhttp://www.harreraimages.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-87465798396817847772012-01-31T19:40:51.842-08:002012-01-31T19:40:51.842-08:00I am glad someone finally openly comes out to bash...I am glad someone finally openly comes out to bash on vintage crap weddings. Yeah it was rad before because it was innovative and creative. Now a bunch of fuck tard wedding wannnabe professionals are trying so hard to make it some sort of staple. Hey honey i totally know what type of wedding you want...its in our vintage glam package for the bride that loves vintage glam! Your mason jars are lame, your mustaches arent cute, your vintage flea market frames are stupid. Stop using the word if you dont know the true meaning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-56940399982008467542012-01-31T19:23:41.649-08:002012-01-31T19:23:41.649-08:00I ♥ this post.
also, has anyone else noticed tha...I ♥ this post. <br /><br />also, has anyone else noticed that since this post was written that the former MAJOR v-word offender 100LC hasn't used that word, like, at all? <br /><br />again, i ♥ it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-33412126415394101662012-01-31T16:55:01.104-08:002012-01-31T16:55:01.104-08:00I wasn't saying it was vintage. It's a mer...I wasn't saying it was vintage. It's a mere suggestion that it was produced from a vintage garment. If you haven't noticed the item is in the HANDMADE category. I know what vintage is and if it becomes problem I will remove the "label." I clearly state in the description is was made FROM vintage jeans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-10943079623078293552012-01-31T16:44:54.024-08:002012-01-31T16:44:54.024-08:00Bahahaha. Do it.Bahahaha. Do it.Toniahttp://www.ittybittyimpact.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-81313729766844353632012-01-31T10:35:14.961-08:002012-01-31T10:35:14.961-08:00I don't know, man. If you write something and ...I don't know, man. If you write something and almost everyone doesn't get what you're saying, maybe you didn't say it right.Lucynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6468279200135971946.post-78278540703209739042012-01-31T09:59:01.810-08:002012-01-31T09:59:01.810-08:00I do understand why collectors/fashion shops would...I do understand why collectors/fashion shops would be very frustrated with the misconception of "vintage." That makes sense to me.<br /><br />As a wedding photographer in a little state where it's JUST NOW becoming popular for brides to use mason jars {we're about seven years behind California in trends}, I know from my stats that brides are looking for "vintage photography(er)" on Google. <br /><br />I honestly don't think my photography is vintage. I stopped using actions a couple years ago, I like a more timeless + romantic + clean photograph. However, when I blog, I write in "vintage" everywhere I possibly can for search engines to eat me up. I figure that if it sends brides my way, it's up to them to decide whether they like my work & want to hire me. Brides aren't experts... I'm sure other vendors can relate to hearing a bride say one thing, but after she explains herself she is really wanting something different. Or what she picks in the end is the opposite of what she said she wanted. They just want a photographer that captures their day in a style they like. As long as what I give them matches what I advertise, it's good. {It would be messed up to show brides Noa-esque pics & promise "vintage photography" only to give them a bunch of prints with absolutely no retouching/camera on auto}.<br /><br />I definitely use the label "vintage" to my advantage because it helps pay my bills & buys diapers for my kids. <br /><br />Love discussions here.Andrea Dozierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01329668571223865729noreply@blogger.com